Challenge Trail – Trail Magic … Challenge cache April 2014
04/10/2014 RT …
Here we go again! I have repeatedly asked you to kindly place my caches on your IGNORE list. I honestly do not understand why you choose to be unkind instead. It takes quite a bit of time and effort to get challenge caches developed and published. There are those, like me, who really enjoy challenge caches. ALL challenge caches do require you to find AND qualify in order to log a smiley. Mystery caches would certainly not be on the Obama plan, because they are not free hand-outs. Instead, they take individual responsibility to meet the requirements in order to log the cache.
04/16/2014 RN …
-Last one done, no FTF, but some interesting reading. Glad I qualify for all these challenges and will all lists soon.
-I do find it very interesting a couple of statements made by CO –
“ALL challenge caches do require you to find AND qualify in order to log a smiley.” & ” Instead, they take individual responsibility to meet the requirements in order to log the cache.” I think the BIG thing here is TO FIND – means to search for caches and not log caches that haven’t been earned….
-The second issue here is individual responsibility (& I am adding respect) – responsibility of being honest about geocaching & giving respect to all cache owners for their work & time spent to give us this fun & interesting sport.
04/17/2014 RT …
-Email received today
-“You need to remove LOC series from your narrative that you found this or I will add in my log that you made determination that shouldn’t have to find all 30 to qualify, and that you chose not to hike to all of them & lied when getting coin.
-Maybe, your attitude towards caching, meaning your dishonesty and cheating, is why Dave w/o id hates you. I know that is why I have absolutely no respect for you and feel you have disgraced your caching talent….
-I lived with a cheat & liar for 25 years and realize that these types of people, including you, have a far lower standard of ethics than the rest of the population.
-Sad, cause, even though I thought your earthcaches & puzzles were too intense, I did enjoy visiting them and learning the why & how. Now, when I find your caches, I feel disgust.
-Before, you say to add to ignore list – that is not going to happen – if caches are placed in our areas, we are going to find them. Oh, I could just log them like you do, but that is not my or any other cachers way of enjoying this game available to us.
-And can’t believe that you use Len to place and maintain your caches and don’t even acknowledge him on cache page for this. Very self-centered of you….
-I could ignore your behavior, have tried, but feel by doing this I approve of this type of behavior and I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT.
-So sorry for you that you feel cheating & dishonesty is an accepted part of geocaching.”
MY RESPONSE
-Unkindness (direct or veiled) is disrespectful to both giver and receiver.
-Geocaching is meant to be fun for all. Criticism is unnecessary and simply reflects unfavorably on the giver.
-Emotionally abusive emails are not in compliance with geocaching guidelines and could be reported.
-Perhaps you should monitor your own caches as closely as you seem to monitor mine. You will be surprised to find instances of the same things you accuse me of.
-Len was always asked if he wanted to be listed as co-owner on caches he helps to maintain.
-LOC CO is aware of the help I received on two of the caches.
-Dave w/o id attended one of my events and we had a delightful chat concerning our difference in perspectives.
-“So sorry for you that you feel cheating & dishonesty is an accepted part of geocaching.”
“I know that is why I have absolutely no respect for you and feel you have disgraced your caching talent….”
-Look within – I have personally witnessed many times you have cheated and disgraced geocaching…
-Completely changing EC page several times after publication and still incorrect thus misleading cachers
-Getting law enforcement involved in an attempt to get one of my earthcaches archived hence leaving a negative impression
-Local leader harassed and no longer offering coin trails
-Trespassing resulting in EC being archived
-Blatantly dishonest
-Continuing to post inflammatory notes on others’ cache pages when specifically told not to
-Harassing other players via logs, etc.
04/27/2014 Post by another cacher …
-To complete a cache and then flame the owner says more about YOUR character than the cache owner that your lambasting.
-Stop doing smileys that dont make you smile!
-Life is too short and we only travel through once. To have that much anger and hatred about anything is not healthy. Take a deep breath and enjoy life. Please dont ruin the hobby for everyone else.
-Thanks rainbowtree for all the caches you put out and maintain for the WHOLE caching community to enjoy. Know that there are many more of us that DO enjoy them. I have done many of your caches and enjoyed them all so far. I havent found any yet that I dont care for but if I do, I will hit the ignore feature with a smile on my face and wont think any less of you as a person or cache owner. Cant wait to free up some time and make the long trip down to your area for some great caching! Hope to see you soon! – BillyB
-“Throughout life people will make you mad, disrespect you and treat you bad. Let God deal with the things they do, cause hate in your heart will consume you too. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” Martin Luther King Jr
Nothing … Mystery cache November 2020
11/23/20 RT …
FTF with lan46. Not sure which was the most challenging – getting the coordinates or getting the cache. A favorite point for the double challenge. An unpleasant relationship with another cacher began in 2012 with Yup, Its Up There! Hoping this cache is the end of the unpleasantness. Thank you for the cache and quite the adventure.
11/25/20 …
RT – Reading above log, looks like the unpleasantness will continue ad infinitum.
RN – “With reading previous log, seems she’s learned that being at cache much more satisfying & fun than not being at cache…
RT – ” Why do you keep falsely accusing me of not going to the caches I log. Look within before you cast stones. You admitted not going to some of the caches you logged. Went to get a screen shot of that admission … It was deleted!
RT – Regarding the 2012 cache Yup, Its Up There – Only LN climbed the rock, but all three of us claimed a find. According to you I “cheated” – then so did you.
Additional untruthful statements seem to keep popping up on other caches as well. One example out of many – GC8MNWE.
RN – “… caching partner, logging/claiming ftf..- Nah! Is this ethical…especiallly, when LN/lan46 did the hiking & RT did the sitting…. “.
LN – “We both visited this cache and every cache that this cache owner has.”
RT – So, LN logging FTF on a few RT caches is unethical, but RN logging FTF on all NT caches is ethical. ???
Based on logs/posts, several of us feel cacher is the most negative, untruthful, ungrateful, and disrespectful person we have the displeasure of knowing!
NOTE … Looks like CO is also “in the line of fire”. Really do not understand posting a note complaining about the cache page even after cache was found and logged. Purpose ??? The difficulty rating of 5 was definitely too high when puzzle was solved so quickly.
Rock Folds Along the RVT … EarthCache June 2021
06/10/2021 RT …
-Answers sent and verification picture posted.
-When asked to change caustic logs ongoing since 2012, was informed “It is my log and I can write whatever I want.” Also, this CO likes to point out all she feels is amiss (mostly fabricated) on other player’s cache pages. Consequently, with this log am honoring her choices by writing a complete and honest assessment of this EarthCache.
- -CO repeatedly points out following protocol. What happened to the original cache page? Since the earthcache as originally published was invalid, should have been archived and a new/accurate one submitted. Completely changing a cache page AFTER approved/published is a big NO NO and even grounds for suspension.
- -CO repeatedly rants about minor changes in other player’s cache pages. Yet this cache page underwent major changes. Proof of monitoring/complaining available upon request.
- -Have never seen a personal agenda, complete with other player’s names, posted on an earthcache. This CO is obsessed with logging FTFs. Proof of untruthful logging and even changing log (added FTF) after accepted available upon request.
- -Had difficulty answering the questions, so contacted a geologist. Sent 8 pics taken all along the outcrop.
” I cannot see any kind of folds in any of the strata.”
So, if a geologist cannot see any visible folds, how in the heck can we answer her questions?! - -Not every outcrop should be an earthcache. This is a good example. Original – No synclines or anticlines. Revised – No folds. Looks like this CO should contact a geologist before submitting/changing an earthcache with false information.
The only positive attribute is it was a pleasant walk along a nice trail.
RESTRICTIONS
Due to the prolonged bullying of RN and my pleas to HQ to stop it, only earned me a “reputation” and EarthCache development restrictions forever. The hundreds of favorite points and positive logs, have not made any difference.
RN, however, has been free to continue her negative antics including the following … completely changing an EarthCache page after publication (which is a big No No), trespassing causing an EarthCache to be archived, harassing two local leaders resulting in a negative view of geocaching, harassing other players in her logs, etc. etc.
I have not contacted HQ or the local reviewer. After my log, she has done nothing to correct the situation and has misled all who visits this EarthEache. Reviewers put a lot of effort into maintaining quality. Something should be done about her, or at the very least her dishonesty regarding this EarthCache.
Thank you to all the cachers who log respectfully and honestly.
Even though RN chose to continually harass me via emails/messages/posts, still thought she was respected by the caching community and was an honest cacher. Contact with a myriad of other cachers, was enlightened to discover RN has quite the negative reputation and is considered a cheater.
Believe this ongoing bullying and my pleas to HQ to stop it, is what led to first the restrictions, and finally the suspension.